Thursday, August 14, 2014

No one cares when you kill yourself

If you are a middle-aged white man:
More than 70 percent of all suicides in the United States are white men, most of them in their middle years, and many take their lives in the wake of some loss, whether professional, personal or physical.
There are 39,518 annual suicides in the USA. About 25,000 are middle-aged white men. That's only 14,000 fewer deaths than there are every year from female breast cancer. Meanwhile, there are 145 annual deaths from anorexia nervosa, of which about 129 are young women.

And yet we are subject to an unending barrage of media propaganda concerning the terrible societal problem of young girls feeling bad because they erroneously think they are fat. Which is rather ironic, as, based on the current obesity statistics, they are probably going to end up as fat, waddling, land whales if they don't manage to starve themselves to death first.

Thereby illustrating, again, that most people are simply not very concerned about the fate of men. I suspect people would only consider the problem of middle-aged white male suicide to be more of a priority if they had a greater propensity for taking those who drove them to it with them. Or if they didn't leave their financial resources behind.

52 comments:

Some dude said...

This is a horrifying post. Can you please cite your source, because I want to look further and see if we can compare the suicide rate for Caucasian men today, to what it was in the past. If it has remained stable, that is bad enough, but I think we need to see if it is getting significantly worse.

Tobias Templo said...

Women and children first, remember?

Men are disposable.

Vox said...

Can you please cite your source

Can you please click on the fucking link? Or, alternatively, copy the quoted text and paste it into Google.

Salt said...

What financial resources would that be? Hasn't the court already awarded it all to her?

liberranter said...

I suspect people would only consider the problem of middle-aged white male suicide to be more of a priority if they had a greater propensity for taking those who drove them to it with them.

I can only imagine what form a "public awareness campaign" would take if this ever did become a trend. Most likely it would consist at a minimum of snide, patronizing television ads (featuring women, of course, probably some left-wing, man-hating crusaderette from among Hollywood's current most popular list) chiding and belittling those useless, cowardly men for daring to harm innocent, precious dearies in the course of offing themselves.

"Guys, if you're going to take yourselves out, you have no right to harm innocent women with you in the process. Taking your frustrations out on women is never okay!"

cailcorishev said...

I can only imagine what form a "public awareness campaign" would take if this ever did become a trend.

"Suicide up 50% among middle-aged white men. Women and minorities hardest hit."

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Nobody cares when you're gone, as the '90s band Mansun put it. But they do care if you're clearly having fun--and rubbing it in their face. Living well, as they say, is the best revenge.

I can't tell you the number of haters and cyber-stalkers my writing has attracted over the years, from sadsacks and losers incensed by the fact a stranger is doing well and enjoying himself.

The spectacle of white men enjoying the decline poolside is clearly too provocative for some people. Which is where, I think, a lot of the PUA hate and anti-Game attitudes come from.

Trust said...

Of course, most of the mainstream is quick to point out that women attempt suicide more.

If 911 recieves a call about a female suicide attempt, they are likely to encounter a crying women who walks to the ambulance after taking 10 aspirin. If it is about a male suicide attempt, they may find brains splattered all over the place. Seems a bit cold to say women attempt it more.

Trust said...

Most trends that impact men are discussed in manner that frets about the state of women.

SarahsDaughter said...

From the article: "Mr. Williams’s wife, Susan Schneider, went to bed at 10:30 Sunday night and woke up on Monday believing her husband was still asleep in a separate bedroom. A personal assistant, concerned that he was not responding to knocks on his door, discovered the body, cool to the touch and with rigor mortis, at about 11:45 a.m. on Monday."

There's been a lot of conflicting messages on social media: "There's nothing anyone could do to prevent this." and "call suicide hotline." But maybe instead of wearing pink, our NFL could wear a patch on their jerseys that reads: "Wives, BE your husband's personal assistant!" Which obviously includes not having separate bedrooms.

Corvinus said...

This is a horrifying post. Can you please cite your source, because I want to look further and see if we can compare the suicide rate for Caucasian men today, to what it was in the past. If it has remained stable, that is bad enough, but I think we need to see if it is getting significantly worse.

It does appear to be getting worse. According to the CDC, white (non-Hispanic) male suicides went up from 21,962 in 2006 to 25,238 in 2010. Suicides have been going up for women too, and for Hispanics and Asians, but as Vox pointed out, white males are by far the most common to do it. Blacks, for whatever reason, rarely commit suicide.

liberranter said...

Of course, most of the mainstream is quick to point out that women attempt suicide more. 

So much for "anything men can do, we can do better."

liberranter said...

"Wives, BE your husband's personal assistant!" Which obviously includes nothaving separate bedrooms.

Wait a minute ... so are you saying that wives have an obigation to do whatever they can ensure their husbands' wellbeing?

BLASPHEMY!

SD, you just got your "woman card" revoked.

Doom said...

It isn't a matter of care. First, if a man gets to that point, little can be done. From what I have seen of the help, it is emasculating and demeaning. Death is preferable. Unfortunately for me, draino, a shotgun, and organic phosphates, didn't work. I sort of wore out. I still recommend, if men are that ill, that they do the right thing. I tried, and all of those, by dose or application, should have worked. They can't help you. Especially if secular. I simply survived beyond. Then God and humility have become my daily diet. Crippled as I am from the actual cause, severe heart problems.

As to Robbin Williams? Come on. He was passing around herpes, chucking coke like he owned an import business of the stuff, marrying woman after woman. He is one of the few I advocate, profusely, suicide. I hope more Hollywood, and modernists in general, types like him do what they should do. Too weak to do anything else, like zip it, go straight and clean, and live with some vestige of honor given their disease. Cut em' off if they can't, otherwise, keep them from infecting others. Barring that, take themselves out of the picture. Good riddance.

Iowahine said...

Wonder how increased suicides correlate with prolonged overseas deployments . . .

Yes, women attempt more, but men are more successful in that they go into it - as with most endeavors - meaning to succeed. The explanation re: women: suicide "attempts" are cries for "help." Imagine that. While there is some snark there (re: women), I think it also underscores the reality of inherent differences of the sexes: women are dependent; even in despair, we look to someone else for solution (not always a bad thing). Men do rely upon their own resources, so when they've exhausted them, they make a decision and stick to it. A man in despair may even view his own demise as a benefit to those he leaves behind. In some ways, because so much of what men do is taken for granted, men also minimize their value and contributions. Further, when someone is to the point of suicide, he believes his own demise is the only solution, maybe even a benefit to all.

Iowahine said...

@Doom: Unfortunately for me, draino, a shotgun, and organic phosphates, didn't work.

That's what a mean - a serious attempt, very serious.

@ Doom: Then God and humility have become my daily diet.

Vital. Praise God for that - for you, for me, for any who chose Him, and those who will.

re: RW: Yes, he was living a life that exacerbated his long history of despair. Probably a high correlation between substance abuse (prescription and not) and suicide.

jimmy-jimbo said...

And how many of them are bankers?

Ghost said...

I posted a link at VP with Dave Foley talking about his divorce. Dude faced life in prison for not being able to find a job.

letsfixthis said...

This makes me think of what Hillary Clinton said last year - "Women have always been the primary victims of war". Replace "war" with "male suicide" and that's exactly how this would be spun in the mainstream media should this ever get the attention it deserves. Not bloody likely.

Doom said...

Iowahine,

Those were each separate attempts. Two of them, mostly, fatal... one quite brutal. I recommend shotguns. Draino, not so much.

When men get to that point, they just have to go through it. Women, I think, can be worked with. As to God... I'm still not sure, if I had known Him earlier, if it would have mattered. Heart malfunction, but all I knew is my career was over and I could barely get out of bed. Nothing has changed, but time, enough cracks at suicide, and perhaps getting older... and getting used to being ill, a bit.

Vox said...

You are so walled up behind strongholds and bitterness

GG, I repeat: SHUT THE FUCK UP. I have zero interest, ZERO, in your opinion of me. Get that through your thick skull. None whatsoever. I've been doing this for 11 years, and I've seen dozens of your type come and go. I am not at all interested in your opinion of me. I am not the topic here.

tilikum said...

@Insanitybytes

Your writing pretty much wholly confirms my original analysis of you and incidentally also explains why you are having such a tough time accepting the lack of relevance that not just the manosphere but likely those in your personal life give you. Your words bleed it.

I always feel bad for the Grandinesque sheilas i meet out in the world. Trapped in their head, half male/half female in thought and emotion, but always knowing something is flat WRONG.

I submit (and hope) that you have never had children have you? Even your elevated capacity for limited logic (for a female and even suffering the capacity for abstract thought), I doubt, could ever override your basal limbic functions to unleash that particular savage barbarism on any children you may have that turn out like you, or horrifically, even further distilled.

You may indeed be a beautiful specimen but evolution never selects for whats better, only whats most adaptable.And thats hard for you isn't it sweetie?

With those like you that I meet and coach, I often wonder if I had 2 days to crawl in your head I could convince you that the only true contribution that your unique patois could give our species would be in your own self-inflicted termination. Now THAT is how people like you can ease the pain and become larger than this bland mortal coil.

Think about it.

Vox said...

Vox, it's not really about you. I wish you could see that.

Then stop addressing me and trying to get my attention, you stupid fucking old hag. Go the fuck away already!

Jason Jonea said...

Now THIS is helpful to men, VD. We can be allies if you stick to helping men, instead of going on the attack against MGTOW, the only rational solutions to a world gone mad. Otherwise, be ready.....

You ain't all bad.

Vox said...

Jason, there are 970 posts on this blog. There are 13,057 at VP. That is a total of 14,027 posts between the two blogs. Do you know how many concern MGTOW?

One (1). I meant it when I said I think MGTOW are totally irrelevant. I'm not attacking them anymore than I am attacking garden slugs or styrofoam boxes. I was merely expressing my opinion, which is what I do on my blogs.

In light of your past monomania, you're on a five-comment per post limit. If you're willing to abide by that and to refrain from expressing your off-topic opinions about me, whatever they might be, you can comment here. If not, well, you won't be the first or the 50th to end up in the spamfile.

It's up to you.

Jason Jonea said...

How many concern mgtow?

Vox said...

How many concern mgtow?

What part of ONE was hard to understand?

For goodness sakes Vox, it should be more than obvious to you by now that I am not the One trying to get your attention

You're not God, GG. Now, for the third time today, go away.

Jason Jonea said...

Math is hard.

JCclimber said...

^^^ reading comprehension fail.

JCclimber said...

tilikum,
I agree. There are times that the solipsism of aging females makes me wonder if the witch trials of antiquity were not just a way to grab property from unmarried women, but also a way to get rid of incredibly annoying old hags.

My carpooler is one such. Late 50's, widow, laughs at her own (unfunny) jokes in a way which shows she has been indulged her entire life by men....And the men based on her stories, are unintelligent and typical liberal pedestalizers without testicles. I see a sad life of quiet desperation in these women.

No useful insights, nothing original to contribute to the world politic or philosophy or science. Nothing of value to contribute in language and the arts. Consumers, not creators and makers.

Childless. And how they rage as they try to find a way to be relevant and gain attention, now that their youth and beauty have vanished and the indulgence that was once granted to them, has evaporated with those qualities.

papabear said...

^Someone really really wants the job of being Vox's Mommy.

rycamor said...

In case anyone wonders why gammas and MGTOWs are accused of female mindset, just compare Jason to GG. They're a matched set of bookends on the male-female problems of our day.

Akulkis said...


There's been a lot of conflicting messages on social media: "There's nothing anyone could do to prevent this." and "call suicide hotline." But maybe instead of wearing pink, our NFL could wear a patch on their jerseys that reads: "Wives, BE your husband's personal assistant!" Which obviously includes not having separate bedrooms.


At that age, I don't think the seperate bedrooms thing is that significant. My maternal grandparents were inseperable until my grandpa's death. About the only time they weren't together was when they went to bed.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I posted a link at VP with Dave Foley talking about his divorce. Dude faced life in prison for not being able to find a job.

I saw that. I had no idea. I liked his work with TKITH and NR. Probably should have stayed in Canada, though. Apparently he lives in LA.

SarahsDaughter said...

At that age, I don't think the seperate bedrooms thing is that significant.

Maybe not. I've known elderly couples to have separate beds. My grandparents had separate rooms as well - but they didn't have a very happy marriage. And, being almost 40, it doesn't occur to me that 63 years and 50 something should be talked about as "at that age". :)

Like I said there's a lot of conflicting information about suicide - is it true nothing could be done to help? Or is it true that those closest to a person can learn to see signs and behavior patterns and somehow help them?

Corvinus said...

tilikum,
I agree. There are times that the solipsism of aging females makes me wonder if the witch trials of antiquity were not just a way to grab property from unmarried women, but also a way to get rid of incredibly annoying old hags.


Okay, I know I'm a Bad Person, but that was funny.

And with all the liberal childless Boomer women around, if witch trials were around today, there'd be plenty of fuel for the fire.

Bob said...

This sort of stuff is really saddening. So many men simply dying, when they could have achieved so much. Usually due to someone else gouging out their hearts (and/or wallets) and taking advantage of their generosity, resources and willpower.

I remember seeing something comparing the amount of funding that breast cancer attracts as opposed to prostate cancer, tis sickening.

As a man, I don't mind if I go down while fighting for something, trying to achieve something, protecting something or doing some good in some way or form, but it saddens me at all those men dying for purely for nothing, and no-one giving a shit that a unique, human life has been lost.

I guess some have passed on their genes at least, but were torn away from being able to leave an actual legacy (rather than purely biological) too.

One Fat Oz Guy said...

I can understand the separate bedrooms thing for elderly or maybe couples who've been married 40 years. Williams had only been married three years.

liberranter said...

From what I have seen of the help, it is emasculating and demeaning

That's my understanding too, from what someone who “tried and failed” told me firsthand. His descriptions of his interactions with those who were supposedly there to “help” him gave me the distinct impression that TPTB want people to “off” themselves, and that their “help” is deliberately designed to demean, humiliate, and punish you for failing to do so.

Bard said...

No one cares but some family. Culls the heard. So what that Williams is dead. It is a shame in the same way that anyone who wastes the talent God gave them is a shame. Funny talented guy. But much like the talented musicians in satanic metal bands. Could have written music or acted for God's glory. Cowards. Burn it all to the ground if you are going out that way.

Bard said...

Sampson your enemies!

ray said...

Absolutely right. And much of w/m suicide is driven by their disenfranchisement and degradation by the culture over the past four decades. The endless demanded Privilege Check. Plenty blood on the hands of diverse elements of U.S. society, who are OK with strangling the lives of their target 'class'.

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Some dude said...

@Vox

Apologies Vox. No offense was meant AT ALL. I believe I did originally click the link, and scanning it quickly I think I saw it was a typical piece on Williams death and didn't notice the 70% stat buried in the middle of it. I think I simply figured you were citing some hard data you knew about the subject from somewhere else.

FWIW I did find this:

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/statistics/rates02.html

Native Americans and Whites have similarly high suicide rates.

I noticed the black and hispanic males have far lower suicide rates, and I am thinking that is probably because their self destructive tendencies are played out in external violence. ie, suicide by cop or crack as opposed to directly blowing their own brains out.

However, black and hispanic women have far lower suicide rates as well than white women, and I doubt the above reason I gave applies, so chances are there are cultural differences. ie, suicide is a more acceptable way of dealing with a problem in the White and NA populations then it is in others.

Asians have the lowest rates and they don't have any kind of noticeable crime rate like the black and hispanic populations do. And as far as I know, asian males are subject to the same pressures as White and NA males are. So this issue is probably a cultural one.

Regardless of why the rate is higher for Whites and NA, it's a disaster and an embarrassment that no one is focusing on it.

What is consistent across all races is that women clearly have far lower suicide rates then men. Which tells us what we already know, that their lives are a great deal easier than ours.

What we really need to know is if the rate as opposed to the actual number is going up and by how much and for how long. Was it the same in 1950? Has there been a significant jump at dates that occur around time periods when the culture changed? That can tell us why this is happening.

Some dude said...

@Corvinus

Thanks, but we can always say that the numbers of actual suicides are going up because the population is increasing. Alternatively we can say this is the result of the previous war.

I think we need something that tells us what the rate has been over say a 70 year period, broken down by race. Chances are we'll probably see spikes for 5-10 years after 1970 and 2010 that go beyond increases in population.

What I really wish we could see is if there was a signifcant change in the rate 40's-60's to 2010's. I think that would tell us it's the post-50's culture, ie feminist marxism that's done it.

Especially if we would see an uptick 10-20 years after significant changes in divorce/family court law. We'd probably need to also figure out when the biggest changes in divorce/family court law occurred to make sense of it.

Remo said...

These are mostly divorced men likely looking at jail for lack of job and unable to pay the holy child support. Taking out the judge, lawyers, HER, would seem to be only acceptable course of action for change - suicide seems a waste by itself. Go down shooting - why not? Suicide by cop at least gives the press something to whine about. Perhaps the only criticism I could find would be these guys didn't sock away enough to bug out of the U.S. altogether but that's very difficult without a second passport in hand.

Jack Amok said...


Native Americans and Whites have similarly high suicide rates.


Native Americans and White Americans are the two genetic groups descended from people who willingly migrated to a continental wilderness devoid of any safety net. Everybody else either came here involuntarily, or else came here when there was no great risk involved. There is a genetic linkage between willingness to take calculated risks and depression.

Remo said...

Jason - why does it matter who attacks MGTOW? The definition of that is the realization that you can't change things so go and live on your terms and be happy as possible. If others don't like it that's their business. I don't have to like someone to appreciate their writing and they don't have to like me or even know me. No one is going to come after you and save you and say you're valuable - you went your own way and that was your choice. Was this choice better than wifing up the slut or continuing in peonage to the family courts? I'd argue yes but others would say no for their own reasons. Don't make your judge Vox, or the U.S. media, or anyone else save for GOD. Nobody cares about you except you and expecting anyone else to pat you on the head and give you a treat for your decision to bow out of a rigged game doesn't make you right or wrong. If you're happy who the f--- cares what they think? You don't owe anyone anything and you can't stop this train anyway as your not important enough. Ultimately your state is between you and GOD not you and a blogspot poster or you and government or you and some woman. Just live, its enough.

Tobias Templo said...

How many concern mgtow?

And you dare complain about being called ignorant and a newbie?

Vox said...

Apologies Vox.

No worries. I just find the requests tiresome. If I want to supply a link, I will. If I don't, I won't.

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